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		<title>By: Simon Chamberlain&#8217;s library weblog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Catching up on reading, and reposting it here</title>
		<link>http://tametheweb.com/2008/02/14/put-virtual-reference-in-the-users-pocket/#comment-1310</link>
		<dc:creator>Simon Chamberlain&#8217;s library weblog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Catching up on reading, and reposting it here</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 07:49:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Kyle at TameTheWeb on putting virtual reference in the user&#8217;s pocket (via cellphone): also a guest post by a librarian, Joe Murphy, who has done just that. I&#8217;m still not convinced of the value of 160-character reference transactions, but for short simple questions there&#8217;s clearly a role for SMS (me, I need more than 160 characters just to say hello). [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Kyle at TameTheWeb on putting virtual reference in the user&#8217;s pocket (via cellphone): also a guest post by a librarian, Joe Murphy, who has done just that. I&#8217;m still not convinced of the value of 160-character reference transactions, but for short simple questions there&#8217;s clearly a role for SMS (me, I need more than 160 characters just to say hello). [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Spud</title>
		<link>http://tametheweb.com/2008/02/14/put-virtual-reference-in-the-users-pocket/#comment-1122</link>
		<dc:creator>Spud</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2008 19:17:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Apple blatantly proprietary.  Really?

So, who isn't?  Open Source? Sun would control the world if it could, trust me.

In a market driven, competitive environment, the goal to win and retain marketshare is based on a deep-seeded drive to be blatantly proprietary.  

The thing I appreciate about Apple, is they are innovative, not stale, constantly trying to wow the market with a drive to new technology.  Of course, they are trying to tie up all the 'Tune' business.  And they are trying to break up this insane corporate love affair with Microsoft Exchange.  MS is a decayed monopoly that needs a clear business alternative.  In becoming this, MS defined thievery and proprietarianism.  

Cest la vie.  More power to Apple and ANYONE who can break that dynasty.  

OK, back to work on my XP machine,  When I get home I can play on my iMac and Macbook.  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apple blatantly proprietary.  Really?</p>
<p>So, who isn&#8217;t?  Open Source? Sun would control the world if it could, trust me.</p>
<p>In a market driven, competitive environment, the goal to win and retain marketshare is based on a deep-seeded drive to be blatantly proprietary.  </p>
<p>The thing I appreciate about Apple, is they are innovative, not stale, constantly trying to wow the market with a drive to new technology.  Of course, they are trying to tie up all the &#8216;Tune&#8217; business.  And they are trying to break up this insane corporate love affair with Microsoft Exchange.  MS is a decayed monopoly that needs a clear business alternative.  In becoming this, MS defined thievery and proprietarianism.  </p>
<p>Cest la vie.  More power to Apple and ANYONE who can break that dynasty.  </p>
<p>OK, back to work on my XP machine,  When I get home I can play on my iMac and Macbook.  <img src='http://tametheweb.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Kyle Jones</title>
		<link>http://tametheweb.com/2008/02/14/put-virtual-reference-in-the-users-pocket/#comment-1015</link>
		<dc:creator>Kyle Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2008 15:38:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@caleb tr:
I wouldn't completely discourage IM, but I would say "hey, while you are doing this it is necessary that you start looking to have a mobile presence."
You said: "...we've got to start learning to communicate online sometime."  I couldn't agree with you more.  I'd also agree that mobile devices will not replace desktop computers as the go-to-tool for research - but they will supplement for the less intensive research processes.  Thanks for the comment!

@Woeful:
Agreed.  Mobile interfaces wouldn't be used to replace anything (except IM when it goes the way of the dinosaur)- but simply to supplement or improve upon the library's virtual presence and digital reference services.

@Brad:
I disagree that creating an app for social networks must  have social features to thrive.  I think you can look at many of the OPAC apps created for Facebook and see some value in them even though they aren't social at all.  I think what we have to remember when creating these apps is that they will never go mainstream.  Apps are for niches that find them useful. Does that make them a waste of time? No.  For the most part they are free to create and implement (like IM) and if even a small group of users adopts them in their digital life then your ROI is excellent.

Thanks everyone for the comments!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@caleb tr:<br />
I wouldn&#8217;t completely discourage IM, but I would say &#8220;hey, while you are doing this it is necessary that you start looking to have a mobile presence.&#8221;<br />
You said: &#8220;&#8230;we&#8217;ve got to start learning to communicate online sometime.&#8221;  I couldn&#8217;t agree with you more.  I&#8217;d also agree that mobile devices will not replace desktop computers as the go-to-tool for research - but they will supplement for the less intensive research processes.  Thanks for the comment!</p>
<p>@Woeful:<br />
Agreed.  Mobile interfaces wouldn&#8217;t be used to replace anything (except IM when it goes the way of the dinosaur)- but simply to supplement or improve upon the library&#8217;s virtual presence and digital reference services.</p>
<p>@Brad:<br />
I disagree that creating an app for social networks must  have social features to thrive.  I think you can look at many of the OPAC apps created for Facebook and see some value in them even though they aren&#8217;t social at all.  I think what we have to remember when creating these apps is that they will never go mainstream.  Apps are for niches that find them useful. Does that make them a waste of time? No.  For the most part they are free to create and implement (like IM) and if even a small group of users adopts them in their digital life then your ROI is excellent.</p>
<p>Thanks everyone for the comments!</p>
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		<title>By: Referencia Virtual en el bolsillo &#171; Alusión&#8230;Llamada Virtual</title>
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		<dc:creator>Referencia Virtual en el bolsillo &#171; Alusión&#8230;Llamada Virtual</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2008 10:23:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] en el&#160;bolsillo  Publicado el Febrero 15, 2008 por llamadavirtual   Es interesante leer la entrada de Michael Stephens de ayer sobre el futuro de la referencia virtual.&#160; El chat comienza su decadencia ante las [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] en el&nbsp;bolsillo  Publicado el Febrero 15, 2008 por llamadavirtual   Es interesante leer la entrada de Michael Stephens de ayer sobre el futuro de la referencia virtual.&nbsp; El chat comienza su decadencia ante las [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Brad Czerniak</title>
		<link>http://tametheweb.com/2008/02/14/put-virtual-reference-in-the-users-pocket/#comment-998</link>
		<dc:creator>Brad Czerniak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2008 05:40:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that conventional IM is going the way of the dodo. It's not because IM isn't fun or useful -- but rather its niche hasn't transitioned to the browser-based web and to mobile devices as gracefully as other desktop applications have. 
* I don't want AIM taking up monitor real estate and system resources just in case my friend wants to start up a convo.
* SMS is easy -- no third-party in mobile-to-mobile communications + capability for mass messaging
* Online Social Networking took a lot of market share from IM clients because messages can be private threads, some commentary can be public, it's less temporally-limited, and it ties in tons of services that IM wasn't meant to delve into.
* browser-based IM clients tend to be finicky, whether they're Javascript or Flash.

I happen not to be an Apple fan - they're blatently proprietary in an increasingly open technological community -- with only innovation and aesthetic appeal to save them. One innovation was notably the iPhone's web browser.

The web is too massive for every page to adapt to mobile devices. Apple took the realistic approach and made real web pages viewable on their phone. The technology for that will only get better. As such, and as always -- Libraries will do best to put 99% focus on their full-size web site. There is no substitute for good coding.

I will have to disagree with the contention that libraries should be making pages and/or apps for all kinds of different platforms. Mobile standards happen not to be very standard at all. The iPhone SDK merely provides API hooks for the functionality provided by the phone (This is true for Android and tons of other mobile options). If an app doesn't provide something directly beneficial on the merits of it being a mobile communication device, then it is merely a superfluous interface and icon. This is also true for social networks -- if an app does not provide social features, it will not thrive.

Individual libraries have a number of options open to them in terms of Usability and Accessibility that I would be happy to elaborate on to anyone who will listen. However, a killer mobile app for the library community is going to be 1) Intuitive 2) Powerful 3) Universal 4) Local (in the same breath). That's not something an individual library would provide single-handedly, unless providing a universal service for others for the heck of it.

I wholeheartedly agree that SMS reference should be an avenue. I'm shady on the numbers, but more recent data I've seen is staggering when it comes to texting. Once again, using the web site and other outreach to broadcast library services is equally important to this process.

Very thought-provoking article!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that conventional IM is going the way of the dodo. It&#8217;s not because IM isn&#8217;t fun or useful &#8212; but rather its niche hasn&#8217;t transitioned to the browser-based web and to mobile devices as gracefully as other desktop applications have.<br />
* I don&#8217;t want AIM taking up monitor real estate and system resources just in case my friend wants to start up a convo.<br />
* SMS is easy &#8212; no third-party in mobile-to-mobile communications + capability for mass messaging<br />
* Online Social Networking took a lot of market share from IM clients because messages can be private threads, some commentary can be public, it&#8217;s less temporally-limited, and it ties in tons of services that IM wasn&#8217;t meant to delve into.<br />
* browser-based IM clients tend to be finicky, whether they&#8217;re Javascript or Flash.</p>
<p>I happen not to be an Apple fan - they&#8217;re blatently proprietary in an increasingly open technological community &#8212; with only innovation and aesthetic appeal to save them. One innovation was notably the iPhone&#8217;s web browser.</p>
<p>The web is too massive for every page to adapt to mobile devices. Apple took the realistic approach and made real web pages viewable on their phone. The technology for that will only get better. As such, and as always &#8212; Libraries will do best to put 99% focus on their full-size web site. There is no substitute for good coding.</p>
<p>I will have to disagree with the contention that libraries should be making pages and/or apps for all kinds of different platforms. Mobile standards happen not to be very standard at all. The iPhone SDK merely provides API hooks for the functionality provided by the phone (This is true for Android and tons of other mobile options). If an app doesn&#8217;t provide something directly beneficial on the merits of it being a mobile communication device, then it is merely a superfluous interface and icon. This is also true for social networks &#8212; if an app does not provide social features, it will not thrive.</p>
<p>Individual libraries have a number of options open to them in terms of Usability and Accessibility that I would be happy to elaborate on to anyone who will listen. However, a killer mobile app for the library community is going to be 1) Intuitive 2) Powerful 3) Universal 4) Local (in the same breath). That&#8217;s not something an individual library would provide single-handedly, unless providing a universal service for others for the heck of it.</p>
<p>I wholeheartedly agree that SMS reference should be an avenue. I&#8217;m shady on the numbers, but more recent data I&#8217;ve seen is staggering when it comes to texting. Once again, using the web site and other outreach to broadcast library services is equally important to this process.</p>
<p>Very thought-provoking article!</p>
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		<title>By: Woeful</title>
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		<dc:creator>Woeful</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2008 02:41:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just bought a new smart phone. It does everything I want and more, from Google Earth to MIcrosoft Office, to IM, to gaming and much much more as a camera (still/video) and MP3 player. After using the thing for a few days it dawned on me that it really isn't a "phone" anymore. It's an information appliance, and the phone is secondary now to everything else... Oh, and I gave up my landline five years ago and haven't looked back!

I don't think IM is dying any more than email is dying, or voice transmissions are dying. I think it's important to note that each of these tools satisfies a specific communications need. Phones (voice) are great when something is urgent, IM is great for real-time collaboration, and email is a great method of communication for all parties involved when prioritization is key. I really love the ability to rank emails as to their importance and respond accordingly... Information triage if you will.

Mobile reference, working in tandem with the Ref Desk, is definitely the future. What form it will take is anyone's guess... Excellent Post!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just bought a new smart phone. It does everything I want and more, from Google Earth to MIcrosoft Office, to IM, to gaming and much much more as a camera (still/video) and MP3 player. After using the thing for a few days it dawned on me that it really isn&#8217;t a &#8220;phone&#8221; anymore. It&#8217;s an information appliance, and the phone is secondary now to everything else&#8230; Oh, and I gave up my landline five years ago and haven&#8217;t looked back!</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think IM is dying any more than email is dying, or voice transmissions are dying. I think it&#8217;s important to note that each of these tools satisfies a specific communications need. Phones (voice) are great when something is urgent, IM is great for real-time collaboration, and email is a great method of communication for all parties involved when prioritization is key. I really love the ability to rank emails as to their importance and respond accordingly&#8230; Information triage if you will.</p>
<p>Mobile reference, working in tandem with the Ref Desk, is definitely the future. What form it will take is anyone&#8217;s guess&#8230; Excellent Post!</p>
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		<title>By: caleb tr</title>
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		<dc:creator>caleb tr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2008 01:03:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you really want to bet, I'm game, and I'll put up my 2001 iBook against it, which is already as worthless as your MacBook Pro will be by the time we settle it. :)

Seriously though, I don't see this as an either/or question, and I wouldn't go as far as to discourage libraries from adopting and exploring IM. It's not the shiny new toy it was ten years ago, but virtual reference on the web and over IM is still growing steadily.

IM-based virtual reference services, in particular, are very easy to get started, and unless we're going to block our ears and shut our eyes and sing 'la-la-la', we've all got to start learning how to communicate online sometime. Why not now?

In terms of mobile trends, it might be better to say that library services need to go where the web goes, and that means mobile devices and phones. Not tomorrow or next year, but right now, libraries need simple and quick-to-load interfaces that work on those devices. 

For virtual reference, we need to rethink requiring the user have Flash (ie for MeeboMe widgets), and maybe also those interfaces built on frames, like QuestionPoint's main chat interface (caveat - OCLC is changing some things up really soon and I'm excited to try them on the phone).

I also don't see mobile devices replacing desktop computers as research tools, and insofar as reference services support research (and other uses of the library), screens on phones and mobile devices are still too small. At least, they are this year. Maybe next year we'll get that paper-thin multi-touch roll-out display in a tube.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you really want to bet, I&#8217;m game, and I&#8217;ll put up my 2001 iBook against it, which is already as worthless as your MacBook Pro will be by the time we settle it. <img src='http://tametheweb.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Seriously though, I don&#8217;t see this as an either/or question, and I wouldn&#8217;t go as far as to discourage libraries from adopting and exploring IM. It&#8217;s not the shiny new toy it was ten years ago, but virtual reference on the web and over IM is still growing steadily.</p>
<p>IM-based virtual reference services, in particular, are very easy to get started, and unless we&#8217;re going to block our ears and shut our eyes and sing &#8216;la-la-la&#8217;, we&#8217;ve all got to start learning how to communicate online sometime. Why not now?</p>
<p>In terms of mobile trends, it might be better to say that library services need to go where the web goes, and that means mobile devices and phones. Not tomorrow or next year, but right now, libraries need simple and quick-to-load interfaces that work on those devices. </p>
<p>For virtual reference, we need to rethink requiring the user have Flash (ie for MeeboMe widgets), and maybe also those interfaces built on frames, like QuestionPoint&#8217;s main chat interface (caveat - OCLC is changing some things up really soon and I&#8217;m excited to try them on the phone).</p>
<p>I also don&#8217;t see mobile devices replacing desktop computers as research tools, and insofar as reference services support research (and other uses of the library), screens on phones and mobile devices are still too small. At least, they are this year. Maybe next year we&#8217;ll get that paper-thin multi-touch roll-out display in a tube.</p>
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		<title>By: Cellular Phones &#187; Put Virtual Reference in the User’s Pocket</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cellular Phones &#187; Put Virtual Reference in the User’s Pocket</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2008 00:41:49 +0000</pubDate>
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