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		<title>By: Bernard</title>
		<link>http://tametheweb.com/2008/03/18/no-myspace-facebook-at-mishawaka-library/comment-page-1/#comment-28848</link>
		<dc:creator>Bernard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Sep 2011 06:07:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: doos op maat</title>
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		<dc:creator>doos op maat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Mar 2011 10:27:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Jan 2011 05:48:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am currently employed at a library in Kentucky and I must say that I disagree with your assessment that the primary goal of the library should be to just let these actions go on without any moves to correct them. While I do agree that the steps taken are a bit extensive, the fact remains that the primary purpose of a library should be that of a center of learning that is open to anyone who is interested in learning something or attempting to discover something. A library is not an internet café nor is it a place for individuals to gather to place their personal feelings on a social networking website. As librarians, we are taught how to best help patrons discover, use, and understand the items we have on our stacks and we take great pains to offer our services in a kindly manner. 

However, the teens, at least at my particular branch of employment, have become the biggest thorns in our side. Despite offering special teen spaces, unique teen programs, and various other opportunities the problems that we started with have remained. In the case of our particular branch the problem had to do with particular teen patrons. These &#039;problem&#039; patrons are often the source of either mischief or, in some cases, harm to others. While there are adult &#039;problem&#039; patrons are most vocal and most confrontational are our teen &#039;problem&#039; patrons. I personally feel that the solution to the problems experienced at your particular library, namely the parking issue among others, are the cause of individual teens who should be removed and I do agree that eliminating it for all is a bit much. Having said that, I completely understand the Library Director&#039;s reasoning on this matter. Furthermore, it is easy to sit outside of a library system and question the judgements from the comforts of a classroom or a home, but when you work for the public on a regular basis you soon find that there are some individuals who complain about just anything and it is extremely likely that your particular Director had some nasty phone calls from irate older patrons who were inconvenienced by teens. In an effort to appease these patrons the Director took an option to cut the snake off at the head.

At my particular branch, there are those patrons who often do complain about the slightest transgressions, be they real or imagined, and they demand immediate responses. In these cases it is difficult for us to act because our hands are tied by a management tactic that attempts to make all parties happy; this flawed way of viewing public relations has created situations where the end result is often a massive over-reaction. The library staff, often eager to find a way to calm down overzealous patrons are often forced to cut off access to certain things in an effort to appease these individuals. This policy of appeasement, much like its earlier 20th century political equivalent, is highly controversial and flawed as you have now seen. The correct solution, in my opinion, is to institute more business like procedures within a library setting and to enforce stricter patron codes of conduct in an effort to ensure that these kind of incidents never occur, thus allowing the teens to peacefully coexist with the other patrons.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am currently employed at a library in Kentucky and I must say that I disagree with your assessment that the primary goal of the library should be to just let these actions go on without any moves to correct them. While I do agree that the steps taken are a bit extensive, the fact remains that the primary purpose of a library should be that of a center of learning that is open to anyone who is interested in learning something or attempting to discover something. A library is not an internet café nor is it a place for individuals to gather to place their personal feelings on a social networking website. As librarians, we are taught how to best help patrons discover, use, and understand the items we have on our stacks and we take great pains to offer our services in a kindly manner. </p>
<p>However, the teens, at least at my particular branch of employment, have become the biggest thorns in our side. Despite offering special teen spaces, unique teen programs, and various other opportunities the problems that we started with have remained. In the case of our particular branch the problem had to do with particular teen patrons. These &#8216;problem&#8217; patrons are often the source of either mischief or, in some cases, harm to others. While there are adult &#8216;problem&#8217; patrons are most vocal and most confrontational are our teen &#8216;problem&#8217; patrons. I personally feel that the solution to the problems experienced at your particular library, namely the parking issue among others, are the cause of individual teens who should be removed and I do agree that eliminating it for all is a bit much. Having said that, I completely understand the Library Director&#8217;s reasoning on this matter. Furthermore, it is easy to sit outside of a library system and question the judgements from the comforts of a classroom or a home, but when you work for the public on a regular basis you soon find that there are some individuals who complain about just anything and it is extremely likely that your particular Director had some nasty phone calls from irate older patrons who were inconvenienced by teens. In an effort to appease these patrons the Director took an option to cut the snake off at the head.</p>
<p>At my particular branch, there are those patrons who often do complain about the slightest transgressions, be they real or imagined, and they demand immediate responses. In these cases it is difficult for us to act because our hands are tied by a management tactic that attempts to make all parties happy; this flawed way of viewing public relations has created situations where the end result is often a massive over-reaction. The library staff, often eager to find a way to calm down overzealous patrons are often forced to cut off access to certain things in an effort to appease these individuals. This policy of appeasement, much like its earlier 20th century political equivalent, is highly controversial and flawed as you have now seen. The correct solution, in my opinion, is to institute more business like procedures within a library setting and to enforce stricter patron codes of conduct in an effort to ensure that these kind of incidents never occur, thus allowing the teens to peacefully coexist with the other patrons.</p>
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		<title>By: Kingsmen</title>
		<link>http://tametheweb.com/2008/03/18/no-myspace-facebook-at-mishawaka-library/comment-page-1/#comment-16886</link>
		<dc:creator>Kingsmen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Nov 2010 06:40:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s OK now, Michael---Mishawaka Public Library is now on Facebook--just found your website, late.  What&#039;s new about David Eisen snowing his board members?  By The Way: PENN High School is ALSO in Mishawaka, Penn Twp residents pay PLENTY of taxes into that library AND that is OUR first library too.  Remember?  Eisen doesn&#039;t, don&#039;t need your slight, as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s OK now, Michael&#8212;Mishawaka Public Library is now on Facebook&#8211;just found your website, late.  What&#8217;s new about David Eisen snowing his board members?  By The Way: PENN High School is ALSO in Mishawaka, Penn Twp residents pay PLENTY of taxes into that library AND that is OUR first library too.  Remember?  Eisen doesn&#8217;t, don&#8217;t need your slight, as well.</p>
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		<title>By: hypotheek</title>
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		<dc:creator>hypotheek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Aug 2010 18:33:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bereken zelf uw hypotheek. Hypotheek berekenen? Maak snel een indicatieve berekening van het maximale leenbedrag van uw hypotheek.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bereken zelf uw hypotheek. Hypotheek berekenen? Maak snel een indicatieve berekening van het maximale leenbedrag van uw hypotheek.</p>
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		<title>By: code reduction</title>
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		<dc:creator>code reduction</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 16:27:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks very much for taking your time to create this very useful infos</description>
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		<title>By: rama</title>
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		<dc:creator>rama</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 01:23:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Most students who go to the internet floor in libraries do go there because of social networking sites such as MySpace and Facebook. But as to rules regarding the use of computers and access to these sites, I think we could go around the problem. Perhaps banning such social networks would raise uproar among students and teachers who use them in the right way. Why not establish guidelines in using the internet? Consider which is better among the social networks available today. &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.fbexpressions.com/blog/index.php/general-facebook-information/the-battle-for-social-networking-supremacy-continues-is-facebook-safer-than-myspace/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Is Facebook Safer than Myspace?
&lt;/a&gt; If the answer is yes, then let that be the only social networking site to be used.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most students who go to the internet floor in libraries do go there because of social networking sites such as MySpace and Facebook. But as to rules regarding the use of computers and access to these sites, I think we could go around the problem. Perhaps banning such social networks would raise uproar among students and teachers who use them in the right way. Why not establish guidelines in using the internet? Consider which is better among the social networks available today. <a href="http://www.fbexpressions.com/blog/index.php/general-facebook-information/the-battle-for-social-networking-supremacy-continues-is-facebook-safer-than-myspace/" rel="nofollow">Is Facebook Safer than Myspace?<br />
</a> If the answer is yes, then let that be the only social networking site to be used.</p>
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		<title>By: Learn and Play @ CML &#171; Musings of a Material Circulating Man</title>
		<link>http://tametheweb.com/2008/03/18/no-myspace-facebook-at-mishawaka-library/comment-page-1/#comment-6115</link>
		<dc:creator>Learn and Play @ CML &#171; Musings of a Material Circulating Man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Aug 2008 03:39:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] work for an organization with the guts to try something like this.  While some other libraries are doing their best to block anything new, employees of CML are being told to go out, find existing and emerging technologies, and use them. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] work for an organization with the guts to try something like this.  While some other libraries are doing their best to block anything new, employees of CML are being told to go out, find existing and emerging technologies, and use them. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: No MySpace, Facebook at Mishawaka Library [ Michael Stephens ]</title>
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		<dc:creator>No MySpace, Facebook at Mishawaka Library [ Michael Stephens ]</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jun 2008 02:57:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 19th 2008 12:11am  [-] From: tametheweb.com  [...]</description>
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		<title>By: sara</title>
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		<dc:creator>sara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 18:03:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All you are doing is publicly announcing that the Mishawake Library is AGEIST! How dose a library connect issues in the parking lot with technology? If your library looked at the teenagers on the computer and the teenagers in the parking lot you will find they are a different group of teens. As far as I can tell you are going against almost all 40 developmental assets for adolescents. In ten years time who is going to be the parent that bring there kids to story time? Well they WERE going to be the teenagers that you are being ageist to now. You never forget the lessons you learn in life. What life lesson are you teaching these teenagers?
I encourage your librarians to talk to teenagers, become part of there life, bring back Myspace and Facebook, and look at the 40 developmental assets. You have one chance to make a difference in a child’s life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All you are doing is publicly announcing that the Mishawake Library is AGEIST! How dose a library connect issues in the parking lot with technology? If your library looked at the teenagers on the computer and the teenagers in the parking lot you will find they are a different group of teens. As far as I can tell you are going against almost all 40 developmental assets for adolescents. In ten years time who is going to be the parent that bring there kids to story time? Well they WERE going to be the teenagers that you are being ageist to now. You never forget the lessons you learn in life. What life lesson are you teaching these teenagers?<br />
I encourage your librarians to talk to teenagers, become part of there life, bring back Myspace and Facebook, and look at the 40 developmental assets. You have one chance to make a difference in a child’s life.</p>
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		<title>By: GarageBand SuPeRsTaR &#171; Information Access Avenger</title>
		<link>http://tametheweb.com/2008/03/18/no-myspace-facebook-at-mishawaka-library/comment-page-1/#comment-1793</link>
		<dc:creator>GarageBand SuPeRsTaR &#171; Information Access Avenger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Apr 2008 18:07:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Click on the link to checkout a mix a created.  It samples Bjork&#8217;s &#8220;So Quiet&#8221;  as well as an anonymous comment made to a blog entry on Tame the Web. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Keith</title>
		<link>http://tametheweb.com/2008/03/18/no-myspace-facebook-at-mishawaka-library/comment-page-1/#comment-1785</link>
		<dc:creator>Keith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Apr 2008 13:11:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My sympathies go out to all who must contend with unruly patrons of any sort.  The staff are always on the front lines, and they too often lack the support they need to deal with these kinds of situations.

This is clearly a situation of throwing the baby out with the bathwater.  There is nothing inherently inappropriate with the use of social websites, no more than there is anything inherently wrong with using e-mail or speaking.  This is a problem of patrons being abusive.  They are the problem, not MySpace or Facebook.

The problem with taking a hard line with problem patrons is that it is the very staff who are not getting the support they need who must enforce the new hard line rules.  Restricting access across the board takes the big bulls-eye off of these staff, since the decision is out of their hands.

Is it the correct decision?  Probably not.  Is it an understandable decision?  Absolutely yes.  After all, access to Facebook and MySpace is fairly inconsequential in comparison to the ability to feel comfortable and safe.  It&#039;s not just the staff who are affected by this kind of problem, and being a parent, I would not want my kids darkening the door of a library where this kind of problem was going on unchecked.

Measures such as this actually could work as a very effective first step towards a proper solution.  Remove access for everyone to let everyone know how serious the situation is... then, after a period of time, reintroduce access on a provisional basis along with a code of conduct.  Let patrons know that access will be removed again if the problems recur.  Leverage the power of social pressure.

Beyond this, though... if this kind of thing is going on, it&#039;s a clear sign that the library really needs some extra training and resources in handling problem teens and other problem patrons.  There will always be a next big thing that they&#039;re going to get all worked up over, and in the long term, their ability to get things banned across the board could even become some kind of power trip.

Best wishes to the staff who are in this situation.  It&#039;s not a good one.  Maybe we should all be taking this conversation to your administrations to let them know that they need to get on the ball!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My sympathies go out to all who must contend with unruly patrons of any sort.  The staff are always on the front lines, and they too often lack the support they need to deal with these kinds of situations.</p>
<p>This is clearly a situation of throwing the baby out with the bathwater.  There is nothing inherently inappropriate with the use of social websites, no more than there is anything inherently wrong with using e-mail or speaking.  This is a problem of patrons being abusive.  They are the problem, not MySpace or Facebook.</p>
<p>The problem with taking a hard line with problem patrons is that it is the very staff who are not getting the support they need who must enforce the new hard line rules.  Restricting access across the board takes the big bulls-eye off of these staff, since the decision is out of their hands.</p>
<p>Is it the correct decision?  Probably not.  Is it an understandable decision?  Absolutely yes.  After all, access to Facebook and MySpace is fairly inconsequential in comparison to the ability to feel comfortable and safe.  It&#8217;s not just the staff who are affected by this kind of problem, and being a parent, I would not want my kids darkening the door of a library where this kind of problem was going on unchecked.</p>
<p>Measures such as this actually could work as a very effective first step towards a proper solution.  Remove access for everyone to let everyone know how serious the situation is&#8230; then, after a period of time, reintroduce access on a provisional basis along with a code of conduct.  Let patrons know that access will be removed again if the problems recur.  Leverage the power of social pressure.</p>
<p>Beyond this, though&#8230; if this kind of thing is going on, it&#8217;s a clear sign that the library really needs some extra training and resources in handling problem teens and other problem patrons.  There will always be a next big thing that they&#8217;re going to get all worked up over, and in the long term, their ability to get things banned across the board could even become some kind of power trip.</p>
<p>Best wishes to the staff who are in this situation.  It&#8217;s not a good one.  Maybe we should all be taking this conversation to your administrations to let them know that they need to get on the ball!</p>
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		<title>By: Mishawaka Public intent: to ban Myspace or YA&#8217;s? &#171; Adventures of Knittinmama</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mishawaka Public intent: to ban Myspace or YA&#8217;s? &#171; Adventures of Knittinmama</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Apr 2008 00:12:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] For those you haven&#8217;t heard about it - I first heard about this through Michael Stephen&#8217;s blog Tame the Web: http://tametheweb.com/2008/03/18/no-myspace-facebook-at-mishawaka-library/ [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] For those you haven&#8217;t heard about it &#8211; I first heard about this through Michael Stephen&#8217;s blog Tame the Web: <a href="http://tametheweb.com/2008/03/18/no-myspace-facebook-at-mishawaka-library/" rel="nofollow">http://tametheweb.com/2008/03/18/no-myspace-facebook-at-mishawaka-library/</a> [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 01:20:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My library has experimented with banning MySpace for teens.  It is a simple, low cost way to curtail the negative behavior (roaming packs, crowding around screens, etc).  It is unfortunate for many responsible teens; however it should not be overlooked in the face of mounting criticism from -current- taxpayers.  It did not drive away the teens, but it did tend to calm everyone down.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My library has experimented with banning MySpace for teens.  It is a simple, low cost way to curtail the negative behavior (roaming packs, crowding around screens, etc).  It is unfortunate for many responsible teens; however it should not be overlooked in the face of mounting criticism from -current- taxpayers.  It did not drive away the teens, but it did tend to calm everyone down.</p>
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		<title>By: Weekend Three Schedule &#171; LIS 768 @ St. Kate&#8217;s</title>
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		<dc:creator>Weekend Three Schedule &#171; LIS 768 @ St. Kate&#8217;s</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 16:58:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Discussion &amp; Group Activity:  Mishawaka Library Bans Social Networking [...]</description>
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