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	<title>Comments on: In Support and Extension of “An Unformed Thought” by Mick Jacobsen</title>
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	<description>Libraries, Technology and People by Michael Stephens</description>
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		<title>By: kyle jones</title>
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		<dc:creator>kyle jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 20:18:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cecily-

Maybe I should clarify.  Using shared hosting via reputable hosts like Dreamhost (who I use and recommend)  would be an excellent way to host a a dozen, to a few dozen community sites - maybe more.  The resources that these sites will incur will be minimal and the costs will still be low.  Yes, maintaining your own hardware and admin-ing it as well does take a certain kind of soul that is a bit rare in our profession (it also takes more of an upfront investment).

I agree with you completely - even if we don&#039;t do this, being able to talk and understand a conversation about it is an important skill set.

Flipping the design role onto a community partner is an interesting switch.  I would tend to think this would be less likely than libraries doing it themselves.  As services go, we&#039;re used to offering a lot and getting little in return - businesses, not so much.

Here, here! to the soft skills you mention and to hoping that LIS programs start to recognize the value of, say, a dual MLIS/CS degree.

I, too, have enjoyed the conversation!

Many thanks,
~kyle~</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cecily-</p>
<p>Maybe I should clarify.  Using shared hosting via reputable hosts like Dreamhost (who I use and recommend)  would be an excellent way to host a a dozen, to a few dozen community sites &#8211; maybe more.  The resources that these sites will incur will be minimal and the costs will still be low.  Yes, maintaining your own hardware and admin-ing it as well does take a certain kind of soul that is a bit rare in our profession (it also takes more of an upfront investment).</p>
<p>I agree with you completely &#8211; even if we don&#8217;t do this, being able to talk and understand a conversation about it is an important skill set.</p>
<p>Flipping the design role onto a community partner is an interesting switch.  I would tend to think this would be less likely than libraries doing it themselves.  As services go, we&#8217;re used to offering a lot and getting little in return &#8211; businesses, not so much.</p>
<p>Here, here! to the soft skills you mention and to hoping that LIS programs start to recognize the value of, say, a dual MLIS/CS degree.</p>
<p>I, too, have enjoyed the conversation!</p>
<p>Many thanks,<br />
~kyle~</p>
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		<title>By: Cecily</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cecily</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 18:30:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You said: 

&quot;Hosting, as well, takes little to no knowledge to create subdomains and register new domains with intuitive web-based dashboards and panels at a low cost for initiatives we’re talking about.&quot;

That&#039;s what is involved with maintaining your own personal hosting account on a web server. However, much, much more is involved with maintaining a web server that will house dozens of community websites. 

I am not pooh-poohing your original idea. I know very well how important it is to refresh and update the core competencies of librarians/LIS students. I once worked as a web hosting administrator, and I&#039;ve worked on the web in some form or fashion for the last 16 years or so.  I know that people who have the skillset that I have are hard to come by in our profession, although more and more people with web experience are making the leap to librarianship. Yay, for that! I say. 

But what I&#039;ve also come to understand is that libraries, especially public libraries like my own, are extremely overtaxed, and expecting staff to develop the core competencies to be well-versed in web production is a large hurdle. I would rather devote the time to teaching LIS students/staff just enough to be dangerous, while focusing more on teaching them the language and terminology so that they can talk to systems/server administrators/web hosting companies, etc. in a language that these more technical people can understand. 

As community hubs, I wish libraries would work more toward forming partnerships with other businesses who can provide these services to us. In the end, by working more closely with the developers/designers who are experts in areas where we fall short, we would reduce the time required to develop website projects, regardless of how small/how large they are. 

There are many roles involved with bringing a website to life, as I&#039;m sure you know. Until we can reach a critical mass of developer librarians, what I&#039;d like to see is LIS programs start to focus on web project management skills, information architecture, usability, and user experience, the soft -- but necessary -- skills that don&#039;t require a great deal of technical know-how. 

I&#039;ve enjoyed the conversation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You said: </p>
<p>&#8220;Hosting, as well, takes little to no knowledge to create subdomains and register new domains with intuitive web-based dashboards and panels at a low cost for initiatives we’re talking about.&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s what is involved with maintaining your own personal hosting account on a web server. However, much, much more is involved with maintaining a web server that will house dozens of community websites. </p>
<p>I am not pooh-poohing your original idea. I know very well how important it is to refresh and update the core competencies of librarians/LIS students. I once worked as a web hosting administrator, and I&#8217;ve worked on the web in some form or fashion for the last 16 years or so.  I know that people who have the skillset that I have are hard to come by in our profession, although more and more people with web experience are making the leap to librarianship. Yay, for that! I say. </p>
<p>But what I&#8217;ve also come to understand is that libraries, especially public libraries like my own, are extremely overtaxed, and expecting staff to develop the core competencies to be well-versed in web production is a large hurdle. I would rather devote the time to teaching LIS students/staff just enough to be dangerous, while focusing more on teaching them the language and terminology so that they can talk to systems/server administrators/web hosting companies, etc. in a language that these more technical people can understand. </p>
<p>As community hubs, I wish libraries would work more toward forming partnerships with other businesses who can provide these services to us. In the end, by working more closely with the developers/designers who are experts in areas where we fall short, we would reduce the time required to develop website projects, regardless of how small/how large they are. </p>
<p>There are many roles involved with bringing a website to life, as I&#8217;m sure you know. Until we can reach a critical mass of developer librarians, what I&#8217;d like to see is LIS programs start to focus on web project management skills, information architecture, usability, and user experience, the soft &#8212; but necessary &#8212; skills that don&#8217;t require a great deal of technical know-how. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve enjoyed the conversation.</p>
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